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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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May 25, 2012 7:01 PM
in response to: Alvar012
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Aaaaaaand I think it's time to bring this thread to a close. This really isn't the place to try to communicate with George Lucas not to mention the discussion seems to have run its course.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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May 25, 2012 8:42 AM
in response to: dark fighter pi...
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they didnt know they were twins. they found out in, episode 6(?)
the part where luke is told vader is his father was the 'biggest secret' during the making of the trilogy.
it is also my favorite part of the movies.
i like the part, where vader kills the emperor, to save his son. and also dies himself.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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May 24, 2012 6:45 PM
in response to: Alvar76
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I dont get why some of you think the Luke and Leia kiss was incest.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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May 24, 2012 5:47 PM
in response to: Alvar012
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I find nothing wrong with same gender romance. Remember it's not SEX. It's just romance. Besides. It's just an option, no one will ask you to do that.
Yeah, but once the p***s goes in, ALL IS LOST!
ignore my 'letter'. your game isnt doing very well. i dont really care what you do with it or what direction it takes. and im glad noone is taking my or any other **** on this forum seriously.
happy 2012.
I am not a TOR player myself, but the game has 1.3 million subscribers (down from 1.7 million at launch). As far as I know, just about every MMO sees numbers drop post-launch. 1.3 million is still a lot of people.
Also, it sounds like you're the one with the anger issues. If who f**** who is your biggest concern about the direction Star Wars products have taken over the last few years (or even a general concern at all), then you should probably take a second look at how you prioritize things.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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May 24, 2012 2:21 PM
in response to: Alvar76
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ignore my 'letter'. your game isnt doing very well. i dont really care what you do with it or what direction it takes. and im glad noone is taking my or any other **** on this forum seriously.
happy 2012.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 22, 2012 2:59 AM
in response to: Alvar76
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Anger? What anger? Don't assume something which isn't there.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 22, 2012 2:37 AM
in response to: Alvar76
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uh 'i can sense your anger'. all this hate is wanting me to stay, but i am gonna have to pass.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 22, 2012 1:52 AM
in response to: Alvar76
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Biology. Mother nature. Hah. The irony is this: Every species on this planet has same gender relationships. Humanity is the one that calls it unnatural. Last I checked, Natural means part of nature, not part of religion drafted from a book which makes wikipedia look like the most reliable source in history.
Lets set the record straight here. The only thing that decided same-gender relationships are wrong is the bible. Not intelligent people thinking logically. There's no logic involved in that book, and certainly not in the herd of sheep blindly following it without question.
I grew up in the 90's, too. It's not as much an issue related to what decade you grew up in, but which sociographic variables were present. And IQ tends to have quite an impact as well. Don't percieve this the wrong way, I've neither the time nor patience to deal with people feeling wrongfully insulted. It's common knowledge that the higher the IQ, the less bullsh*t the person will swallow and the less they care for society's rules.
For me, religion, and especially christianity, wasn't welcome past the front door. My father hates it for its hypocracy, and my mother rejected it long before I was born. So any of the 'god' cliches were laughed at here. ('god says this' 'god wants that'. No. Humanity claims god to say it, because 'god' is a convenient excuse to hide behind and enforce your own ideas. Look up the meaning of dictatorship, will you? And don't give me the 'you're free to leave' excuse, no you're not. If you say no, you get ridiculed, ignored, pitied and dismissed. They'd burn you on a bonfire if it was still legal.). Thus, I am not raised with the ideas of what 'god' intended for humanity, nord the concept of going to hell for stepping outside the ancient, well outdated social rulebook.
On top of that, I'm a sociopath, antisocial, APD, Aspergers, call it whatever you feel happiest with. I don't give a rat's-arse for the labels society enforces upon people. I point and laugh at the ridiculous images of how people should behave themselves and how illogical they are, and anyone who dares to tell me how to be can expect the full force of my mind and tongue. Careful what you ask for, I've been told to lack a filter or two, so don't expect me to sugarcoat it.
What I find so despicable is that religion claims everyone to have a soul, and that souls love. But souls have no reproductive organs, no bodies and thus no genders. So you tell me, since god assigns souls to bodies, why would he split up those meant for one another and then impose a rule saying they're not allowed? I thought god was supposed to be the good guy?
And this one every single believer hates me for: The pope is married to god. God has always been depicted as male. So's the pope. An entire religion being led by a hypocrite....
You can't start a discussion and then feel unwelcome when people disagree. Freedom of speech ring any bells? Nobody said you were unwelcome. Don't assume.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 22, 2012 1:46 AM
in response to: Alvar76
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So.... you dont agree with two individual falling in love and that they want/can to express there love. As long as its same-sex thing its even morally wrong. And you dont agree with any system that accept same-sex love. No matter how good the system is in other parts, you dont care becouse same-sex is such a big thing for you. Even in a computer, were everything is non-real, its too morally wrong to exist.
And, atop of that, you dont want to be in the same room with people who disagree with you on that point.
Where is the freedom-loving american?
And what do you think of all the other stuff in the game? In TOR, you can be choose between two sides in a war, but no matter what, you can still do good deeds, or go to the dark side. Doing bad stuff. Killing innocent people. All that is totally okey with you. But not same-sex love. Love, is worse then killing...........
And about "mother nature". Animals, of a wide range of species, do have homo-sex. Long ago, scientist dident even look for it, but now when they are looking, they are finding it more and more.
"Oldfashioned" marrige only works in a world were the male earn all the money and the female just do stuff at home. In a world were male and females are equal in every single way, were a females can take care of themselfs, "oldfashioned" marrige leads to divorce. Christian even divorce at the same rate as atheist.
If we should strive for what is right, then we should not get more babys. The world is overpopulated with people. Homosexuals tends to get less babys. So that should actually be a morally good thing. It would be good for the human race.
If there is a God, even if he/she/it had a list of bad things and homo-sex was on it, he would probobly want the belivers to focus on things like, killing, war, poverty, famine, equality and when those things are done and isent any topic any more. After those things are fixed, then mayby you can care about what other people do in there bedrooms. In bedrooms people dont get hurt.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 21, 2012 8:30 PM
in response to: Alvar76
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I have been thinking about the reason why i did write this letter on this forum, 'to George Lucas'
I think the reason is that i was 'one hurt and concerned noob' over something that did go against me, somewhere where it did hurt.
Now that i have been thinking about this, i just want to say that, according to biology and 'mother nature', this isue is male and female, not male and male or female and female.
I just want you all to think about this a bit, and not cast away something, 'just because now we have evolved, and things have changed that way'. Here im pointing to 'oldfashioned' marrige and family setup.
I think we should strive in life to do what is right. If there is a God, im sure he intended it that way.
Its like 2+2=4.
If this becomes an update to the mmo, im gonna leave that mmo, because it would feel wrong to me to stay and support it.
Now that i have given it some afterthought, im gonna leave this forum. i dont really feel welcome here.
blessings and bye.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM
in response to: Zak the one
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It is true there is more opennes to same sex relations, it is now being accepted as normal and 'equal' to hetro relations. even in the church.
im a child of the 90's, and even though i still consider myself young, being in my mid 30's, i grew up with a different upbringing. to me same sex isnt right morally.
now becoming a part of mmo's it will be introduced to younger people as normal and accepteble just lige straight.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 16, 2012 9:03 AM
in response to: Lea Nikkaya
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To be honest, nothing that has been introduced to Star Wars over the last few years have actually felt right. It is either too childish or ruined everything we knew about canon. This was bound to happen eventually, especially considering Bioware's trend.
And I agree completely. Well said.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 16, 2012 9:01 AM
in response to: Lea Nikkaya
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I find nothing wrong with same gender romance. Remember it's not SEX. It's just romance. Besides. It's just an option, no one will ask you to do that.
EDIT: This is a response to the OP. Not Lea.
Edited by: Zak the one on Feb 16, 2012 6:01 PM
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 1, 2012 2:00 PM
in response to: Alvar76
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But there was nothing wrong with Leia kising Luke, which is incest?
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Feb 1, 2012 1:02 PM
in response to: jesseharlin
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i really enjoy lucasarts software. i also enjoyed bioware's (stuff like baldurs gate and neverwinter nights are classics). its the idea of han romancing luke that makes me wonder about this, (and does turn me abit off from the old republic). (im still not sure of how much of the faith issue does it for me. or is it just the hetro me.) anyway ill leave this as a final remark. otherwise tor is a great product and one of quality.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Jan 23, 2012 2:49 PM
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I stand corrected also... Needed to say that becouse I always sound like Lucasarts have handed all the work over to Bioware and even EA. And that Lucasarts only work is to protect and correct so that it is a Star Wars product.
Never really heard from one inside what Lucasarts really have done with TOR.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Jan 23, 2012 11:55 AM
in response to: Lea Nikkaya
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I think you are forgetting one very important thing. It's Bioware who makes the game, NOT Lucasarts.
A small point of correction: As someone who has been a part of this game's development for about 4 years in one capacity or another, I can assure you that the game is being developed by both Bioware and LucasArts. In particular as pertains to the game's content, LucasArts' Audio Department has been deeply involved in the game's development and handled all of the game's music, sound, and voice. Then you have QA folks, producers, marketing and PR folks. There are many people at LucasArts who have worked for years on this game. So, some credit where credit is due, I think...
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Jan 20, 2012 1:08 PM
in response to: Wilfer88
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It is simply a aim at a market nomally ignored.
Men like to play as men in RPGs, Women like to play as women. (I have personally refused to play several rpgs because I could not do so; I am one of many.) People enjoy building their characters after themselves, it is the point of rpg. By only allowing heterosexual reletonships in games, a lot of people will feel discriminated. I can not blame them for feeling that way. One can not claim a game to 'have realistic interactions' when it excludes same-gender relationships.
Considering religion dictates games to be 'the work of the devil', claiming a game to go aganst particular rules of a religion is redundant.
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Re: open letter to George Lucas, concerning
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Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM
in response to: Alvar76
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i am a christian. many of my friends are not. what im saying is, that this will not be good for star wars. i hope they change their mind and dont implemet this into the genre.
Just how can it be bad for Star Wars? How do you come to that conclusion?
As we said, its optional in the game, you are never forced to do anything homosexual in the game. Do you really think that christian gamers really hate that kind i freedom in the game, becouse they love to be more limited as what to do?
Hope this is not a surprice for you,but the market for that kind of fundamentalist christian gamers, is so tiny, that Bioware and Lucasarts probobly dont even believe that market exist. They know that homosexuality is still a "controversial" subject to some, but it really has no real economical impact. They just want to make a as complete game as possible.
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