I cant help but think of how god it would be if you took all the experience and complexity from SWG and made a new game engine with better graphics, sound, network technology, new planets, instances, inhabitable cities etc and you could still keep your characters and stuff...aahh...what a game that would be.

Yeah, well the gaming companies need to quit dumbing games down for just the kids, that is getting ridiculous. I mean the adults pay the money, the adults should be allowed a say in a game at least. SWG was a game for every type. From kids to adults. I met alot of players on there who said their kids would sit on their laps and watch them kill creatures and enjoy it. That should say something.

Welcome to the club, TORfail. I played WoW and I left it because the game itself sucks. Warcraft III the offline version rocked, because the plot was great, but for an MMO I lost interest, because the graphics are cheap ad pathetic, the quests are redundant, (I did the same quests over and over in one capacity or another) the plot is not existent.

With SWG, the graphics rocked and that was a big bonus for LucasArts, the plot for the quests was great, I didn't do the same quests over and over, unless I chose too. Talking to people was easy, the game was engaging from crafting to combat. I usually don't give good comments about MMORPGs, but I tried SWTOR awhile ago as a favor to a friend. And LucasArts I have one question.

*Are you out of your ****in minds?*

You gave up SWG for that second rate piece of ****. Way to go. You just created a WoW clone. I mean, I usually hate playing MMOs. I played Runescape, WoW, and a short time on SWTOR, (an hour), SWG, and LOTRO. And out of those games I rank them as wtf to great. WoW, SWTOR, Runescape, LOTRO, SWG. Now the fact that I placed SWTOR at the next to dead bottom should say something. I don't usually play MMOs, but if you are going to spend the money and time to create a game, it should be good. EA/Bioware should go back to playing with their D&D games and leave the Star Wars games to the bigger gaming companies. They are like little kids playing with their dad's stuff. They ain't big enough. And mostly EA should go back to MOH. But most of all LucasArts you should slap yourselves for being absolute ****in morons and fix the problem. You spent nearly 11 years getting SWG to where it was to destroy it? What the **** is going through your minds? No wait, don't answer that. Because I am beginning to wonder if you even have any intelligence whatsoever. Because to get rid of SWG for a WoW clone, is extremely stupid and anyone with a lick of common sense would see that.

Well Sremo', you are right about George Lucas not caring. He is a classic example about today's business leaders. As long as their business is profitable and they get their money, they could care the **** less about anything else. I mean yeah he made some great movies and he was all up in the production of those, from picking cast members to doing concept art. But as far as the rest of his SW created idea, he doesn't care. Neither does LA or EA. All they care about is getting their money. So to all the gamers, to them we mean nothing but more money. To the point of LA won't even except suggestions on how to create better games. And do I think LA is an arrogant, egotistical company. Yes I do. And I really hope those qualities come around ten fold on them.

Edited by: Josh_Muhl on Aug 25, 2011 11:31 AM

No offense but there was a very important point to what George Lucas intended in the stories of the Star Wars films and his purpose for doing them as they did. A lot has been written on it. Its not "just" about some imaginary super natural sci fi characters. The last movie was case in point with a lot of almost direct quotes from real political speeches and quotes.

George Lucas may have been talking about science fiction characters who flew around in space ships and wielded light sabers, but the actual story could easily fit in other genres (medieval, western, modern day).

Some movies go a LOT deeper than they appear on the surface. And right now EA and LA ARE the Empire.

Shutting down SWG is something the "Empire" would do and that's what makes this all so sad.

(Then sadly again, schools no longer teach real history and truth, so a lot of this stuff is lost and its scary. Again, BTW, I was 14 when a New Hope Came out. And Josh is old enough to remember what was meant and has lived through a lot to know its about Rebels and Empire. Others just think is a cool game with characters and super powers.)

(temporarily off topic) sounds like a message board bug, being unable to edit. Clear cookies and temp internet files, log off and re log in again. read but ignore this post. It appears it will only allow people to edit their last post?

Now, I agree with you Darthrulak. "I find that the MOST disappointing. Ending SWG is an oxymoron"

I first watched A New Hope when I was only 3. And I have been a fan for 20 years. And to see them besmirch SW like this is ridiculous. I mean hello. SW is about the struggle between the Empire and the Rebellion. Yeah alot of other content was brought in, by other authors and gaming companies.

But a New Hope -> Rebels vs Empire
Empire Strikes Back -> Rebles vs Empire
Return of the Jedi -> Rebels vs Empire

Phantom Menace -> Leading up to the events of the Empire
Attack of the Clones -> Republic (Empire) vs CIS
Revenge of the Sith -> Republic (Empire) vs CIS

Now does it say anywhere in any of the movies over Star Wars, Mandalorians vs Old, Old Republic. No and why? Because SW was about the Empire vs Rebels. You want more gamers to care about SW, then you have to keep a Rebels vs Empire game in the fold. I mean I love SW. I read SW and play the games all the time, or used to play them. But to me it was always the struggle between the Rebels vs the Empire and the other books and literature of SW was nothing more than to give an idea of what led up to the events of SW. And most new people to SW continue to see that. So what would be better? Keep SWG and ease the players into SWTOR or just drop them in and hope they do well? No offense, but to me, it's like skipping training and sending a soldier straight into combat. On one hand it might work, but on the other. SPLAT. Instant failure and you are picking pieces of the guy off you. So what would increase your chances of suriving? Ease them into the combat situation. But players to SWTOR without playing SWG, after the close, it would be like the soldier with not training. I mean the admins would have to spend almost every waking moment explaining the game to the newbies. I played LOTRO, in 2007, and I quit because for every freakin minute of my gaming time, I had to answer questions like What is the point of this? Who is Gimli? What does he look like? Where is Aragorn? What is his other name? Where is the Shire? Where is Rivendell? Where is Bree? I got so fed up with it, that I deleted all my characters and quit. I couldn't even enjoy a quiet evening trying to relax without having to answer a million different questions and the main reason I won't play SWTOR is this. When I started SWG, I got really good and newbs kept bothering me to help them. They would have a quest level of 10 and they would be 9 and want me to do it for them. And most of those quests I mastered as a level 7, solo. So I won't do it again. And I won't play SWTOR after LA's underhanded manuevers to get rid of SWG. But at least on SWG, I don't have to explain the game bit by bit. So as much as I hated it, I might actually go back to LOTRO instead of SWTOR. Thanks LA for making me a hater of your company.

"I mean, take a look at Lulsec and the other hackers. I know I'll **** people off by talking about it, but the hackers did what they did as an act of protest against these corporate gaming companies. I fully believe if the hackers wanted to, they could have also stolen credit card numbers. They are that briliant at hacking. But as far as I know, no player account was acted against. The hacking was against the gaming company."--couldn't get the whole box idea, so I just used quotes.

Now to me, they may have been attacking just the gaming companies, but to me a hacker is a hacker. They may have said they were only attacking the gaming companies, but they might have also stolen some credit card numbers for themselves.

But as for LucasArts supposedly destroying the Source Code, I have my SWG game and I looked through each and every license from the UK version to US to even French version and nowhere do I see where it says that LA can just shut down the game. Most of the licenses referenced mostly SOE. So do I think that LA is overstepping their bounds here, massively, yes. LA may have been a developer, but SOE owns the Source Code. The launcher the game prominently announces SOE as the company responsible for it with just a LA logo on start-up. So to my understanding SOE, owns the game and LA is destroying it. It's like a stranger just walking in and destroying something that took you years to create. What LA should do, as I have stated before, is turn over their developer rights to SOE and let them have free reign with it, on the condition that they keep it within the LA rules and perimeters. Therefore LA doesn't violate their contract. Because according to what I saw from some random person, was that EA wanted a no compete with LA on the game. So if LA gave SOE SWG permanently, they would still be honoring their deal And if LA wants to do underhanded dealing with the same people that buy their games, then they can do it with other companies.

But due to the underhanded dealing that LA did and the fact that they care nothing for their customers, I removed all my LucasArts games from my laptop and my two other gaming consoles and got rid of them. Why should I play a game made by a company that cares nothing for its customers? If SOE wanted to keep SWG, I would send them the money gladly and never regret it. But as for LucasArts unless they fix this ****ty deal that they are trying to foce down our throats, I won't give them another penny ever. And I mean that one. I already found several friends of mine that used to love LucasArts for their games and were big fans. And by big fans they would buy new LA games at least two or more times for friends, themselves, etc. But they have agreed and I even joined them in boycotting LucasArts until they get rid of this obivious uncalled for action against SWG. But I seriously hope that LucasArts changes their minds, because as stated by someone else our economy is failing and SWG has continued to be a massive moneymaker for both sides. I mean, if you were going to the Artic, would you pack your trusted winter coat (SWG), that you know will keep you safe, or bring a new store-bought winter coat (SWTOR), that you have no idea if it will really work or if it's just hype? But right now LucasArts is walking on a razor's-edge, literally, between alienating their customers (working real well btw) and producing a new SW game. And they need to stop and ask themselves a serious question. What is more important, players who will continue to keep coming back or a game that might suceed or might not? I had several friends who went to Iraq in the military and they used to play SWG as a way to relax and vent frustration and they told me it was a great game and they loved it. They sent me a Facebook message awhile ago and told me what they thought of this decision that LA made. Needless to say, it wasn't something I think LA would care to hear. But they agree with everyone else that LA needs to stop trying to alienate the players and listen to them. I even noticed at one point that LucasArts won't even allow suggestions about how to improve certain games to be sent to them or anyone they work with.

But seriously, iIf I was to rate their overall business ethics, policy, and general giving a **** on a website I found that gives reviews like that, they would rank even lower than Toshiba that had 23 out of 200 points. And that is saying something. If LA wants to continue to be a successful business, then George Lucas, as much as I respect the man to no end for making the SW series, he needs to seriously take control of his company and do things right. If he was to allow SWG to continue, then that would be beyond awesome and this is aimed at LucasArts, but if LucasArts continues to allow SWG, I know numerous players who would celebrate rather loudly and instead of getting these comments about getting their heads out of their ***es, they would get a heck of alot better comments. So LA the question I ask you is this. Do you want satisfied customers or do you want ****ed off customers? The choice is up to you.

Edited by: Josh_Muhl on Aug 23, 2011 3:47 PM

Edited by: Josh_Muhl on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM

Dude, that IS off topic, but a bit interesting non the less.


That is in theory correct, but it doesnt really apply. The more money a person or company has, the more it will gain. You might say money have a gravitational pull on itself. The more money you have, the more marketing you can afford, you can buy the competition etc.
Did it ever occur to you that a free economy (non-regulated capitalism) will end in...monopoly? Amazing, isnt it?

Right..I think you refer to the SOE hack where SOE looses billions of dollars.
I cant see how that will benefits players. Sure, the shareholders will get a bit less profit.
But it also means that the devs will have a smaller cut from the cake.
In the end, its the customers and players that pay.

I think it might be good, but not great. After all its a dumbed down game for the WoW kids.
To get an perspective, take a look at other ,REALLY popular games:
Minecraft, FarmVille, all the zombie-killing mmo´s...make you think, right?

Well I have to agree with what alot of you are saying. Most companies care nothing for their customers. SWG and WOW are on the same scale for players and popularity and contract or not, it makes no business sense and both sides see that. From EA/Bioware, yeah it's beneficial. But for LA it's a horrible idea. I mean, take a biologist. They study for years, doing the best they can, in the hopes that they can become the best at their jobs. Say during this time, they decide to write a book or something detailing their discoveries. Then Biologist B, decides "Hey, maybe, if I sign a contract with this person, then they will destroy it and I can then publish mine." Do you really think Biologist A would ever destroy something that took them years to put together, just because someone told them too. If EA/Bioware wanted to sue them, what's the most they would loose? A couple hundred million dollars. They make a heck of alot more from sales of their games around the world. No. There is something more going on, and I think it is more directed towards the players than anyone. To show the players that they mean nothing and you are right. The real power in America is the dollar. Nothing else seems to matter.