For me, it's even more than that. I used to think Star Wars was so stupid and that it was just a bunch of geekness. One day, I gave my computer to a friend so he could fix it, and he put KOTOR in it as a plus. I eventually got bored and decided to give the game a try; I LOVED it. I must have played KOTOR and KOTOR 2 like 10 times each. Because of KOTOR, I also bought all the movies, books, comics, and pretty much any Star Wars thing I could get my hands on.
It just really disappoints me that we're left hanging in the air not being able to know what happened to Revan and The Exile. And, honestly, I don't want to just know, I want to play through it. I really think they should finish the Trilogy.
And as for money, people WOULD buy it! Why can't they just make it? They'd make money! And I for one am NOT buying TOR. I can't afford a monthly fee, and I don't feel like playing with a bunch of other people.
I have to agree with that emotional attachment you talk about. This has to be the star wars game you get most involved in. And even though I cannot get through it without wanting to rip my hair out, there is just something about THIS game that makes me want to keep playing it.
Well, as much as I must agree with your sentiment, that's the game everyone has been asking for, including those who played BF and all of the other SW games.
I'd just settle for a single-player masterpiece getting into a story with Revan and the Exile, even using the old graphics of the original XBox. I just hate for a story to be told years after the fact when we lived through the beginning and journeyed off, leaving behind our friends and all we cared about, to find ourselves.
KoTOR is a game with an emotional attachment, not just a FPS or adventure game. As long as we have that same involvement, or feel like we have that same involvement, I think we will all be happy playing.
Still want single player, though. I always hear how Activision is a bunch of jerks led by Kotick as a head jerk. I get the feeling he'll do anything he can to milk us of any dollar he can squeeze out of a MMO. Sorta reminds me of The Baron in Dune. "Rabban, Rabban! I place you in charge of Arrakis. It's yours to squeeze, as I promised. I want you to squeeze and squeeze and squeeze. Give me spice! Drive them, drive them into utter submission. Do not show the slightest pity or mercy. Never stop. Go! Go! Show no mercy! "
I think lucasarts should take the best of their games and put them into one:
1. The unrepetitive level set-up of Jedi Knight series and KotOR
2. The unpredictable and manipulatible storyline of above games
3. First person guns and lightsaber from Jedi Knight series
4. The fast use of the lightsaber and force from The Force unleashed (not the painfully delayed and stretched out force powers from Jedi Knight and KotOR nor the slow lightsaber swinging from Jedi Knight)
5. The graphics quality of The Force Unleashed
Okay, I know that TOR is what's supposed to come after KOTOR II and I know it's been a long time and I should simply let all hopes for KOTOR III to be made go, but I just can't stand the fact that they butchered Reven's image in TOR.
Why can't they make us all happy and simply make the darn KOTOR III for us? Why does it have to be an MMO, which I will not play and certainly not buy, that's supposed to "satifsfy" us by being kotor III, IV,V...
I guess I still hold on to the hope of an RPG KOTOR III.
I just don't understand why they won't just make it; they'd make a TON of money off of it!):
I am reserving judgment on the role Revan plays in SWTOR until I get to actually see what this Revan quest is like. But I'm still not 100% sure I'm going to play SWTOR to begin with. The belief of many appears confirmed with this vid though. SWTOR seems poised as the de facto KotOR 3.
OK, so according to today's update on the TOR website we WILL know what happened to Revan. At the end of the trailer, they showed what looked like a sarcophagous - which was ridiculously small - with Revan's mask resting on top of it. Then, a shadow appears on the floor and it's the obvious sillouette of Darth Revan in his full Sith garb - I mean it, it's the exact shape. So... this is it, Revan's name has been completely desecrated in my view.
And now it's time to take my words back regarding KotOR II: I do not want them to mention it at all! Why? Because they might use the Exile as Revan's "slave" during a boss battle.
Concluding, BioWare is full of foul, loathesome, evil little cockroaches.
First, I apologise if the following is not directly related to KotOR III, but here goes:
Here I was, sitting on this chair, some minutes, reading an article on IGN about Revan, as I listened to some music. Then "Take Me Home, Country Roads" started. I literally froze. I remembered the good times I spent playing as him, trying to do the right thing and then realising that he had been "taken away" from me by a money-hungry company.
Now, more than ever, I see how sad it is. Revan could've came back home at the end of KotOR III or maybe he would've sacrificed himself, but at least it would've been a honourable end for him.
I could say I don't care anymore, but I have to care about happened to him - and all the other characters - because only then will I be (slightly) at peace.
Maybe he'll be alive, maybe he'll be dead, in TOR. Either way, we'll never see or make it happen.
Just keep playing KotOR... Over and over and over and over again.
Ways for me to get the Star Wars fix from if not from the OLD REPUBLIC:
a. I used to play KotOR time and again until some idiot ruined my X-Box.
b. I also have my KotOR Fan Media account where I submitted the drawings of Malak, my KotOR characters, and at least one of my party members - my latest drawing being that of Captain Emo's wife Morgana (she can have 'im, for all I care - I never like Carth Onasi in the first place. ).
c. I have a collection of SW comic books, including the ones of the same title (I'm the fan of the KotOR metaseries, BTW. )
It still amazes me on how much an effect those two games (KOTOR 1 & 2) have on people after they play them....I understand the fustration...I'm right there with everyone else if not moreso, but where will I get my Star Wars "fix" from if not from the OLD REPUBLIC?
I couldn't share your pain more if I tried, Darth_Trayus. By making this attempt of a money-grabbing MMORPG, the developers have seemed to dump off the intricate and fascinating story of Revan, the Exile, their companions, and the stories that accompanied all three. In my opinion, the KotOR franchise could've reached its full potential if a third single-player RPG installment was created instead of a lousy MMO. Something that also bothers me is the fact that The Old Republic looks like it will only be released for PC, leaving devoted KotOR fans such as myself who played both KotORs on the Xbox tragically dissapointed. I would've originally preferred a KotOR III for my Xbox 360, but I can't even satisfy my hunger for an Old Republic-set game since my computer is too bad, and I can't afford to pay the monthly fee, which will almost definitely be present. CURSES!
After this friday's Timeline update, I've decided that I will NOT buy TOR. Why? Because they have not mentioned a single event of KotOR II.
Sure, Bioware came up with KotOR, but Obsidian came up with the True Sith concept. And it's not just that. KotOR II tells the story about a dangerous time in the Star Wars universe, even more dangerous than the times of KotOR I.
Didn't they realise that the Sith Triumvirate could've destroyed the Republic without the Star Forge? Traya manipulated almost the whole galaxy into doing her bidding and had incredible capabilities like wielding lightsabers with the Force, predicting the future, etc. Nihilus could drain the life out of planets and living creatures. Sion couldn't die, regenerated like crazy and was one of the most skilled Sith duelists of his time.
Each one would be a suitable opponent for Revan and Malak and a duel between them would've been epic.
Together... I bet they would have defeated the Sith Emperor.
Now for the Exile. Isn't it amazing enough that an exiled Jedi returned, decided to forgive the ones who sentenced her and went on to save the galaxy? Isn't her ability to forgive enough? Isn't her decision to cut herself off from the Force awesome enough? Arent' the bonds she created special? To me, they are.
By doing this, they have dishonoured all of those who loved both games. They gave Revan (almost for sure) a simple death, they didn't even mention the Exile, her companions and her foes. The Lost Jedi (Revan's and the Exile's companions and themselves) created the Jedi Order that Bioware is trying to depict.
Do you know what I wish? I wish that Obsidian had killed Revan. That way he'd be spared to this lousy imitation of a sequel.
To me, TOR dishonours my condition as a KotOR fan.
Yeah your probably right. But maybe after this mmo fails like the other star wars one did, they will wake the hell up and actually listen to their customers instead of trying to just make money by creating another mmo. They said in the story for kotor that Revan never returned to known space. Unless they change that story line some looks pretty hopeless. I for one will not buy the game Star Wars: the old republic. just out of spite. they created one of the most popular story lines and games and then severed it completely buy making it 300 years into the future. Lucas Arts may have lost any chance they had of keeping me a customer.
We've no way to really know if someone at LucasArts
read threads like these. My personal opinion is they
probably pay little to no attention to the KotOR II
forum. LucasArts has made the decision to go the
MMORPG route with this game franchise now. Sure,
they probably realize there are those that didn't
want to see KotOR get switched to an MMORPG and would
have preferred a single player sequel to KotOR II.
But that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.
. The developer of the original KotOR came up with
the idea of developing an MMORPG based 300 years
after the events of the KotOR games, presented the
idea to LucasArts, and LucasArts gave BioWare the
green light. At this point there's pretty much no
turning back. Maybe some day we'll get a KotOR 3 but
highly doubtful it would be anytime soon.
We've no way to really know if someone at LucasArts read threads like these. My personal opinion is they probably pay little to no attention to the KotOR II forum. LucasArts has made the decision to go the MMORPG route with this game franchise now. Sure, they probably realize there are those that didn't want to see KotOR get switched to an MMORPG and would have preferred a single player sequel to KotOR II. But that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. The developer of the original KotOR came up with the idea of developing an MMORPG based 300 years after the events of the KotOR games, presented the idea to LucasArts, and LucasArts gave BioWare the green light. At this point there's pretty much no turning back. Maybe some day we'll get a KotOR 3 but highly doubtful it would be anytime soon.
i need to ask a crucial question, does lucasarts people even read what we say here? like does someone important from lucasarts even cares to read what we think and what we want ? in this case we want the end of the trilogy which is kotor 3.