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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 6, 2010 4:14 PM   in response to: $parrow in response to: $parrow
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No to be completely honest i don't think the writers paid as much attention to the story as i have.
But as i said my theory is just my attempt to make sense of the mess they gave us & i've tried to piece together a believable plotline that wraps up what little story we were given.

You have to admit it fits & addresses all plotholes so far.
(i doubt FU 3 will do any better)


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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 6, 2010 1:17 PM   in response to: JediScotty20 in response to: JediScotty20
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do you really think the writers would make an unexpected twist like this?:) it seems to me they don't want to strain themselfs
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 4, 2010 6:28 PM   in response to: $parrow in response to: $parrow
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(Does anyone read these threads properly)
I already explained all this on page 23 - here it is again, follow carefully.

Juno was an imperial officer for years - Don't you think the empire would have DNA samples of it's officers taken during medical exams ?
Juno could've been cloned same time as Starkiller months ago, Only if the SK clones failed to kill Juno droids in training would Vader ever need to use the Juno clones to control Starkiller.
Boba Fett was only sent to capture Juno to enable Vader to obtain her current memories & threaten Starkiller with Juno's life.
The real Juno is still being held by the Empire - What escaped with Starkiller at the end was a Clone.
(Again no normal human could survive being thrown that far by Vader at the end, it was a clone.)

It did not take just a few hours between Boba capturing Juno & Vader + Juno on Kamino, More likely a day or so (at least) to travel across a galaxy.
Just because we jump from location to location quickly in the game & movies - Don't think that's how long a journey of that distance really takes ,It would just be boring for viewers if they showed these journeys in real time.(you need to apply a little logic)

FU 2 is set Decades after Episode 2 movie ,The Kaminoans could easily have made vast leaps in cloning technology since Eps 2 especially as the Empire has access to the Jedi Archives.
It's easily possible memories could be implanted into a normal human clone within hours or days.
It was only difficult with Starkiller because he's a Jedi & as cloning records say 'it was as if the original DNA refused to be copied'.
It would have been quicker & easier with Juno.

And if Juno was just afraid of Vader, why not try run straight away - it's like her actions with Vader were pre-arranged.
Think about it , a Force user may be able to quickly take a lightsaber from Vader no problem, but you think a normal person could ?
Seriously , this is the most believable scenario to the endings we were given i can think of.

If you're gonna try shoot down my theory ,you'll need to give a little more detail & evidence to pull it apart.
Or just believe what you will.


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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 4, 2010 3:14 AM   in response to: micksith in response to: micksith
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it has no point. she's just afraid...that's all.
and how many time left since BF taken her? probably a few hours, this isn't enough time to make a 'perfect' clone with all of her memories.
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 3, 2010 2:22 PM   in response to: $parrow in response to: $parrow
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The only evidence i have that Juno is a clone is the fact she gave Vader some strange looks when Starkiller confronted them - Almost like she was gonna ask Vader 'what should i do now' .
And the fact a normal person could not have survived being thrown through the toughened glass window & survived that fall.
I don't buy Starkiller brought her back to life theory at all - I think she is definately a clone, Boba fett was sent to capture her so Vader could copy her current memories into the clone.

No solid evidence , Just trying to come up with a theory that makes believable sense of the mash of a story we were given.

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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 3, 2010 10:27 AM   in response to: micksith in response to: micksith
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what the evidence for that? i don't think Vader would have need a copy of her
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 2, 2010 1:02 PM   in response to: jmanreal in response to: jmanreal
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Couldn't be a Proxy droid , Kota or Starkiller would certainly have sensed the difference, A clone however is an organic life form with real emotions & memories.
With Kota's weakened connection to the force & Starkiller's weakness for Juno a clone could fool them both.
To make either the light or darkside ending 'believable' she really has to be a clone & part of Vader's plan all along.
The real Juno is still being held somewhere - Only Vader or Fett knows where.

A good twist would be we play as both Starkiller & Dark apprentice in FU 3.
Similar to how you played as Anakin & Obi-wan in EPS 3 game (which i kinda liked),
DA sets out to rescue Vader & Starkiller searches for real Juno.

Although i'm sure Vader allowed himself to be captured in FU 2.

Edited by: micksith on Dec 2, 2010 9:03 PM
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 2, 2010 12:06 PM   in response to: JediScotty20 in response to: JediScotty20
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I think the Juno we see in the light ending is NOT a clone but a proxy droid. Now that droid is chaffuering an imprisoned one-handed Vader to Dantooine with Boba Fett giving chase. Maybe Boba Fett is still holding on to the real Juno in Slave 1. Would Starkiller(clone or not) be willing to trade Vaders freedom for the real Juno? Or does Boba just bust Vader out himself. Maybe Juno gets Stockholm Syndrome, kills the Starkiller clone, and marries Boba Fett. Lucas Arts please contact me for more TFU3 plot ideas.
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 1, 2010 4:43 PM   in response to: micksith in response to: micksith
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Maybe Juno and Galen were having their honeymoon on Alderann when the Death Star showed up
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Dec 1, 2010 3:09 PM   in response to: Thalador009 in response to: Thalador009
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I didn't think i was being conceited or hostile towards you Thalador, But your comment that i was & questioning my SW knowledge clearly shows you're the one throwing personal insults & being conceited. (ironic really)
My theories of the 1st & 2nd Force unleashed game plots are based on the accepted 'canon' story lines of those games & the movies - Not a multitude of what if non canon stories.

And your final comment requesting Starkiller & Juno survive shows a major flaw in your grasp of Star Wars canon - If Starkiller survives FU 3 , Then why is Episode IV called 'A New Hope' ? LOL
Doubt Luke would be needed if Starkiller is alive in the galaxy.
Maybe George Lucas just forgot about Starkiller in your universe.
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 20, 2010 5:12 PM   in response to: JediScotty20 in response to: JediScotty20
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So either it's a huge plothole, or Starkiller is a complete Gary Stu. Great.



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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 20, 2010 10:49 AM   in response to: $parrow in response to: $parrow
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I think that starkiller unknowingly resurrected Juno with the force.

The Force is strong in this one.

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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 20, 2010 8:43 AM   in response to: micksith in response to: micksith
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you're right. a simple man can't survive that fall, neighter Juno did. probably Starkiller resurracted her.
just remember, she didn't awake in the dark side ending, and the evil clone would have finished her off is she would alive.
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Posted: Nov 18, 2010 7:48 AM   in response to: SW_Drewton in response to: SW_Drewton
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If Starkiller/Galen is a clone I am going to be so p***ed off.
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Posted: Nov 15, 2010 10:41 AM   in response to: JediScotty20 in response to: JediScotty20
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Staarkiller was definitely a clone in my mind here.

Staarkiller was just another test going insane, for results that Vader would keep in mind for the Dark Apprentice.



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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 15, 2010 5:45 AM   in response to: JediScotty20 in response to: JediScotty20
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Not surprised at all that the question of Starkiller being a clone was not answered. After all, the focus of every developer is to make as much money as possible. It's the sad truth. While I am looking forward to TFU3 and some answers; I wish LA would pay more attention to the fans rather than concern themselves with lining their pockets. I really hope Juno and Starkiller survive. I'm also hoping that Kota survives. I mean the chances of any of them surviving are slim but I can hope right?
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 9, 2010 10:44 AM   in response to: JediScotty20 in response to: JediScotty20
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We can argue this point for both sides, just remember one thing... Almost everywhere LA states that in this game you are to "Continue the adventure of Starkiller". Why would they use those words? If you're playing a clone, wouldn't the statement read.. "Continue the adventure as Starkiller's Clone"? Just saying....
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 11:20 AM   in response to: micksith in response to: micksith
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I don't know why you have to be so hostile and conceited. By the way, if you knew the Star Wars universe, you should known that Vader'd had a few (I can only remember of one) other apprentices whom he had used for the same purpose: to destroy the Emperor (oh, and then there's Luke).

What's more, the Emperor did not know that (for the first time, that's for sure) that Vader had found Galen on Kashyyyk. And why would the procuders lie in your face when they told countless times that Starkiller was Vader's secret apprentice?

Vader did want to overthrow the Emperor 'till the later discovered that his little tool had a more powerful slave who could destroy him. When he did, he ordered Vader to use Starkiller in finding and rooting out the rebels. I understood the plot of FU I rather well, but I think you just don't like that I have a conflicting opinion.

@ your very last though: I wholeheartedly concur. We both have different theories, and we shall hopefully see who's right and who's wrong once both of us completed TFU III - or a DLC that deals with the continuation.

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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 10:30 AM   in response to: Thalador009 in response to: Thalador009
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Vader lied to Starkiller all the way through his training in FU 1 , It's explained by the Emperor that it was the Emperor's plan all along.
In case you missed the plot - The Emperor discovering vader's apprentice & ordering his death was a set up by the Emperor & Vader - It was the only believable way Vader could give Starkiller free reign to find the rebels himself while maintaining the pretence of destroying the Emperor & keeping Starkiller on his side.
Perhaps some aspects of FU 1 plot were too subtle for you.

And Juno was an imperial officer for years - Don't you think the empire would have DNA samples of it's officers taken during medical exams ?
Juno could've been cloned same time as Starkiller months ago, Only if the clones failed to kill Juno in training would Vader ever need to use the Juno clones to control Starkiller.
Boba Fett was only sent to capture Juno to enable Vader to obtain her current memories & threaten Starkiller with Juno's life.
The real Juno is still being held by the Empire - What escaped with Starkiller at the end was a Clone.
(Again no normal human could survive being thrown that far by Vader at the end, it was a clone.)

Star Wars plots are easily worked out - The Sith lie & manipulate constantly.
To base a theory on what truths you think Vader or the Emperor has said is a mistake at best.

You have your theory - I have my own based on my understanding of both games plots.
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Re: Starkiller/Galen is a clone?!? [TDE]
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 8:00 AM   in response to: micksith in response to: micksith
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The end of TFU I drove a a further wedge between master and apprentice - i.e. Vader realized his master wanted to replace him with a stronger and younger apprentice, while it was clear to Palpatine, that Vader wanted to overthrow him, since he had followed the Rogue Shadow to the Executor. Now, at the end of TFU I the Emperor's plan was to destroy the Rebel Alliance before it could destroy them. He commanded Vader to do so, however, he didn't tell his apprentice how he should accomplish his task. Vader (even though he's not a genius, he's not an idiot either) came up with a - seemingly - perfect plan. He cloned Galen whom he planned to use in the destruction of his legacy and the overthrowing of the Emperor.

Also, Vader would not have urged the Starkillers (both good and evil) to strike down what the original Galen loved, if he'd had this plan in mind.

I doubt that Juno could be cloned, brainwashed and altered in less than 2-6 hours (the Rebel fleet jumps to hyperspace a few minutes after Fett had left the hangar with Juno on board). And if Juno were kidnapped earlier than that, it would screw up the story even more. "Oh and by the way, I cloned the real Juno while you were being trained here. Take that, apprentice!" - Darth Vader

Although I see what you're saying, I still very much doubt that to be the case.

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