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micksith


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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 9, 2010 5:04 PM   in response to: Char Ell in response to: Char Ell
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Flashback continuity fault perhaps.

I'm pretty sure in FU 2 - Starkiller has a flashback showing him how to use a force power & in the flashback he's wearing a FU 2 tie fighter outfit ,How is this a memory of a deadman - he didn't have that Tie outfit in FU 1 ???
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 9, 2010 10:18 AM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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In ROTJ, Vader is over 50 years old. And supposedly he's already been through the lightning of FU2, so maybe his fuses are just old and broke under the superior UNLIMITED Power of the Emperor. How often does he get his maintenance done...replace batteries, fuses, circuit breakers, etc?
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 9, 2010 6:34 AM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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if you remember padme also died of her sadness it wouldnt sound strange about vader once he realised he made his wife die ,killed a few hundred jedi (+children) and destroyed the republic.(thats my opinion)
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 9:15 PM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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Hello party people,
Let's get this thread back on topic please, namely perceived story mistakes in TFU 2.

Those wishing to discuss the motivations for Vader saving Luke or other SW movie-related debate can do so in Other Discussion -> Star Wars General Discussion

Thanks!
YourFutureEx


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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 7:03 PM   in response to: micksith in response to: micksith
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micksith wrote:
Anakin / Vader's whole reason for joining the darkside was 'to learn how to stop the people he cared about from dying.'
Which is exactly what he did when the Emperor electrocuted Luke, he stopped Luke from dying & redeeming himself & restoring balance to the force after successfully mastering both sides (Jedi/Sith).
I believe part of what kept Vader alive for so long was the combined hatred & anger of both him & Palpatine strengthening their connection to the darkside - both were needed, Vader lost against Luke only because his hatred for luke was waining.
So once Vader destroyed the Emperor, redeeming himself ,His strength from the darkside was lost & after the damage received in saber battle & lightning & a face full of radiation from the emperor shaft explosion.
That's what killed Vader - His own redemption, it had only been his connection to the darkside that kept him alive at all.
Ben Kenobi said Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker metaphorically - So in a way Anakin Skywalker finally killed Darth Vader.

The only reason Anakin joined the Emperor was to keep Padme alive because he thought she was gonna die. That is pretty simple. There was always good somewhere in Darth Vader, everyone close to him could feel it, Padme knew it, Luke absolutely knew it. When a Jedi turns to the dark side, their healing abilities go away. They cannot heal themselves or anyone else, or else all those years he spent being Darth Vader would've healed himself. It's in the books... sorry if I pulled out my 'book card' but he tried to heal himself with meditations and stuff, and it's what he is doing in Empire Strikes Back when he has his helmet off and is interupted right before the Hoth Attack I believe. There are a million ways the story "could be", but George Lucas has the final say. I wish he would'a had the final say on this crappy game, that's for sure. Oh, think about this: Did Darth Vader kill the Emperor to save Luke? Or did he do it to try and rule the universe with Luke as Father and Son? Twist that in your brain. (I know it was to save him, that's always been the story, but what if...... lol)
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 6:25 PM   in response to: MalarKestral in response to: MalarKestral
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Anakin / Vader's whole reason for joining the darkside was 'to learn how to stop the people he cared about from dying.'
Which is exactly what he did when the Emperor electrocuted Luke, he stopped Luke from dying & redeeming himself & restoring balance to the force after successfully mastering both sides (Jedi/Sith).
I believe part of what kept Vader alive for so long was the combined hatred & anger of both him & Palpatine strengthening their connection to the darkside - both were needed, Vader lost against Luke only because his hatred for luke was waining.
So once Vader destroyed the Emperor, redeeming himself ,His strength from the darkside was lost & after the damage received in saber battle & lightning & a face full of radiation from the emperor shaft explosion.
That's what killed Vader - His own redemption, it had only been his connection to the darkside that kept him alive at all.
Ben Kenobi said Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker metaphorically - So in a way Anakin Skywalker finally killed Darth Vader.
MalarKestral


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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 3:57 PM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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MalarKestral wrote:
In the end of ROTJ vader redeemed himself with his SACRIFICE. It's the entire point of the RETURN of the JEDI. In TFUII vader had no redemption.... essentially no reason to die. Oh and of the topic of j"jost losing his hand" while in the first he was torn to pieces... he was torn to pieces in the first because starkiller continuously slammed him against ray shields and crushed him with debris.

Ah, I get it, so if the Emperor hadn't have zapped him, he would'a just keeled over dead? Yeah, you make alotta sense. The meaning of Return of the Jedi was that Anakin came back from the dark side. That, and Luke became a Jedi to go on and start the Jedi order anew. But I've found in the past that arguing about a story that one guy made up is kinda stupid. Come on, the dude made Jar-Jar Binks. lol

Vader wouldn't have been redeemed had he not felt for luke as LUKE was being zapped, so no, he wouldn't have.

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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 8, 2010 7:23 AM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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Darth Demon Hunter wrote:
You do realize that Vader is over 30 years old dont compare movies to games! They are not on the same playing field. That is not a story mistake, a story mistake is leia talking about her real mother in ROTJ when Padme died within minutes of leias birth

So what you're saying is, that you didn't understand the whole story in the Force Unleashed. It had EVERYTHING to do with the story. Who cares how old Darth Vader is? I don't understand your statement. I guess we'll just go ahead and ignore that Leia became a Jedi too, not so much as Luke, but the bond she had while in the womb could've produced visions of her mother. lol Either that, or she has a great memory from the ten seconds she saw her mother.

My point is, you can't write these games this bad. Talk about no common sense!

Im saying Vader's character is over 30 years old! And luke would have more memory than leia would since he would ahve been around 30 secs

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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 10:25 PM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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I'm guessing Vader stayed together and was in fair health for when Lucas Arts jumps into the third game where Vader will bust out of the rebel base and kill everybody. I mean if he was torn up as bad as in TFU1 and close to death, he probably wouldn't get that far when escaping.

I assume that basically Lucas Arts was/is aiming to pump out the third game soon to tie up all loose ends. They may have divided the story for the sequel into TFU 2 and TFU3, which may explain why TFU 2 is short. And that may also explain why the overall game isn't "complete" for lack of a better description in ending and the overall product. Lucas Arts seems that they were really looking to jump into a the third game when making this one and focusing on that game, instead of focusing on this game and making it its own standalone game.
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 9:20 PM   in response to: MalarKestral in response to: MalarKestral
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MalarKestral wrote:
In the end of ROTJ vader redeemed himself with his SACRIFICE. It's the entire point of the RETURN of the JEDI. In TFUII vader had no redemption.... essentially no reason to die. Oh and of the topic of j"jost losing his hand" while in the first he was torn to pieces... he was torn to pieces in the first because starkiller continuously slammed him against ray shields and crushed him with debris.

Ah, I get it, so if the Emperor hadn't have zapped him, he would'a just keeled over dead? Yeah, you make alotta sense. The meaning of Return of the Jedi was that Anakin came back from the dark side. That, and Luke became a Jedi to go on and start the Jedi order anew. But I've found in the past that arguing about a story that one guy made up is kinda stupid. Come on, the dude made Jar-Jar Binks. lol

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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 8:51 PM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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In the end of ROTJ vader redeemed himself with his SACRIFICE. It's the entire point of the RETURN of the JEDI. In TFUII vader had no redemption.... essentially no reason to die. Oh and of the topic of j"jost losing his hand" while in the first he was torn to pieces... he was torn to pieces in the first because starkiller continuously slammed him against ray shields and crushed him with debris.
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 8:15 PM   in response to: Darth Demon Hun... in response to: Darth Demon Hun...
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Darth Demon Hunter wrote:
You do realize that Vader is over 30 years old dont compare movies to games! They are not on the same playing field. That is not a story mistake, a story mistake is leia talking about her real mother in ROTJ when Padme died within minutes of leias birth

So what you're saying is, that you didn't understand the whole story in the Force Unleashed. It had EVERYTHING to do with the story. Who cares how old Darth Vader is? I don't understand your statement. I guess we'll just go ahead and ignore that Leia became a Jedi too, not so much as Luke, but the bond she had while in the womb could've produced visions of her mother. lol Either that, or she has a great memory from the ten seconds she saw her mother.

My point is, you can't write these games this bad. Talk about no common sense!

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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 2:42 PM   in response to: skatosauros in response to: skatosauros
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You do realize that Vader is over 30 years old dont compare movies to games! They are not on the same playing field. That is not a story mistake, a story mistake is leia talking about her real mother in ROTJ when Padme died within minutes of leias birth

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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 8:23 AM   in response to: -Twingo- in response to: -Twingo-
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(my opinion) in ROTJ vader became a good guy again and didnt want to live because he realised what he had done all those years.so i dont think that the emperors lightning killed him.
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 5:36 AM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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I agree with the lightning.....my thoughts whas exactly the same....i thought huh? lightning on vader ? is that possible ? he died when the emperor did it in the return of the jedi movie .... wtf ?

Also compared to tfu1 vader sucked hard ..... really hard .... like i fought againt a 6 year old kid.
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Re: Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 7, 2010 5:23 AM   in response to: YourFutureEx in response to: YourFutureEx
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Have you ever heard of gameplay mechanics?
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Story Mistakes
Posted: Nov 6, 2010 7:33 PM
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Not that I’ve brought up enough good points on these forums, but just thought of something even dumber today about how Darth Vader only gets his hand cut off in FU2. I have played the original FU at least four times all the way through on two different gaming systems. At the end I basically made Darth Vader my biznatch right? Screwed him up good. Now though, I do even MORE damage than the first game and all he loses is the typical right hand. Ok, now for the same inconsistency, only from the movies. In Return of the Jedi, the Emperor, who I made my biznatch in the first game too, btw, uses his force lightning on Darth Vader for about 7 seconds and kills him at the end right? So I use force fury on Vader for what, 30 to 45 seconds at the end of FU2 and all I did was bring him to one knee? HUH?

What Lucasarts should’ve done was hire some fan boys to proof read the story so it didn’t have such an embarrassing ending. It just makes no sense at all whatsoever. Maybe he forgot to put on his extra insulating boots at the end of Jedi? HAHAHAHA! LA, you are so stupid.
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