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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 23, 2007 10:51 PM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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I wasnt going after religion, just those who seek to
force their own beliefs upon others. Religion is just
fine but forcing others to follow your ideals because
your religion says this is what needs to stop.
Ironically enough, look at what you're doing. You are 'forcing' your own beliefs upon anyone who reads your message. =\ So in light of this...
See above. Do NOT flame me or anyone else again or I
WILL REPORT YOU. If you are going to defend something
use LOGIC, KNOWLEDGE and FACT to do it not opinions.
Logic? Check. Knowledge? Sort of. Fact? That's up to you.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 23, 2007 4:30 PM
in response to: CC_5052
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Comparing anything to Hitler/Facism then dragging out religion in any forum posting is like planting a giant flag on top of a hill that says "flame war starting HERE!"
Epic Fail.
Lucasarts tends to let players choose multiple viewpoints to play from, like in Battlefront, or Mercenaries, and I guess that example from Knights. Republic Commando you could only play as a clone though. Since they haven't said you could play from both sides, maybe it's a surprise or maybe they're saving it for Fracture 2.
Personally I'm a Californian and I relish being the bad guy. >:)
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 22, 2007 8:00 PM
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while cybernetics can be used for the greater good, such as curing sickness, there will seemingly always be an evil force in whatever world it is
that said, any evil force has always tried to enforce some sort of supperority overs its enemies. if cybernetics can be used to change the genetics of someone to make them healthier, it could also be used to make someone stronger, more durable, tougher etc, that an evil force would use to make a super soldier
make sense?
i do think cybernetics is better if it can be used to heal people and save future generations from the sicknesses of today
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 19, 2007 12:16 PM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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ok, putting personal beliefs and religion aside, what do you think is better and why? (should this be a different topic?)
i think cybernetics is the better choice because cybernetics (in my opinion) is easier to control then genetics and what not because you could screw up a strand of dna and then they mutate into something freakishly horrible and uncontrolable that would rip up the lab or something. the only problem w/ cybernetics i can think of is that it breaks down and that can easily be fixed or replaced.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 11:24 PM
in response to: autobon
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I appologise for pointing fingers earlier, I feel I over anylized earlier (happens occasionally but not to often, text is harder to interpret or ''read'' than voiced speech). I still won't continue the conversation though as I would rather neither of us get in trouble for it.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 1:54 PM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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I will not reply to these anymore as I have a feeling
you are trying to get me to flame you which is making
me temped to report you as a troll but I'm not going
to because there is not enough evidence in my
opinion. Have a good rest of your day.
Very nice, i love the way you end our discussion with a false accusation of my motives. I really appreciate that, and same to you. You sure read my motives like a book (sarcasm) Also, you keep saying you could have reported me, but as far as i am conserned your in the same boat, because you started the topic and also said the same sort of things i did. Nice try, trying to sneak in a couple more downgrading remarks before you ended the discussion. Your last post is what i call "nice flaming"
You have yourself a nice day too. 
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 1:22 PM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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I refuse to discuss some of the above mentioned
stuf because I already know your response.
Thats very cowardly. To say that you arent going to
disscuss things because you know i will most likely
disagree is also very hypocritical. I could say the
same about you, because obviously you will try to
disagree with this post, but i understand that
disagreements are normal so i dont write comments
like that.
I'm just tryin to avoid the overly volitile subjects like abortion for the sake of not starting a flame war. I can read personalities like a book and I can often see what will be done before it happens because I am supremely tactical and often think of reprecussions and rewards before I do something. I will not reply to these anymore as I have a feeling you are trying to get me to flame you which is making me temped to report you as a troll but I'm not going to because there is not enough evidence in my opinion. Have a good rest of your day.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 1:19 PM
in response to: autobon
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Not communism, Fascism. Hitler was a founder of
his
religion. anyone can make a religion so long as
they
are charismatic and believable.
Fascism was more like a sick political movement, as
opposed to a religion. Like i said previously, if you
argue that something like fascism is a religion then
anything can be argued as a religion. Evolution could
then be portrayed as a religion since it follows a
certain ideal and has many radical followers that
believe it. Yet, it is not considered a religion, as
it is more an idea. Same thing with Fascism.
Sorry, probably should have seperated those lines out a little, was merely stating that hitler was a man who could have (and did) easily set up a new religion as well as correcting the political system you stated he used.
A problem i also have with saying Fascism is a
religion, is that it gives athiests another reason to
say how "all wars are started by religion," which is
a total lie. Now obviously there have been some
brutal religious wars that i think were wrong, but
then again there were some i can argue were
necessary. But still, some of the worst wars have
been the cause of athiest ideas such as communism,
Fascism, the whole Stalin thing, and many more.
War has many causes, religion (crusades, bin ladens terorism (hes a fanatic), government (almost any revolution or revolt), paranoia (cold war), ambition (WWII), greed (most wars beit for land money or bodies), hey! that guy stole my sheep (would not doubt it), ect ect ect.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 11:39 AM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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Not communism, Fascism. Hitler was a founder of his
religion. anyone can make a religion so long as they
are charismatic and believable.
Fascism was more like a sick political movement, as opposed to a religion. Like i said previously, if you argue that something like fascism is a religion then anything can be argued as a religion. Evolution could then be portrayed as a religion since it follows a certain ideal and has many radical followers that believe it. Yet, it is not considered a religion, as it is more an idea. Same thing with Fascism.
A problem i also have with saying Fascism is a religion, is that it gives athiests another reason to say how "all wars are started by religion," which is a total lie. Now obviously there have been some brutal religious wars that i think were wrong, but then again there were some i can argue were necessary. But still, some of the worst wars have been the cause of athiest ideas such as communism, Fascism, the whole Stalin thing, and many more.
I refuse to discuss some of the above mentioned
stuf because I already know your response.
Thats very cowardly. To say that you arent going to disscuss things because you know i will most likely disagree is also very hypocritical. I could say the same about you, because obviously you will try to disagree with this post, but i understand that disagreements are normal so i dont write comments like that.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 5:32 AM
in response to: autobon
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Please dont say you mean no offense when you portray
religious people as jerks who always get in others
business because i dont ever see that happening as
much as athiests pushing their evolutionist ideas in
schools as well as their own version of "do
whatever you want" morals, and you can never
disagree with them or your labeled as a "hateful" and
"intolerant" and "bigot"
Those names are reserved for a very specific group of people, fanatics being part of that group.
You say you were just going after those who push
there beliefs on others, but i didnt see any previous
post that had anything to do with someone pushing
there religion on someone, so i dont know why you
even felt the need to bring it up.
Its not just religious beliefs being pushed on others. Anything that involves choice that affects an indivual (such as genetic modification) should be left to the individual not the group or 3rd party. Choice is a grand catylist for many effects, not all of them good, but many different effects none the less.
I could also go through page after page of my
beleifs. Please dont say i flame when i say the same
things as you do. I stopped calling you the names you
were calling me since you were a lot more
proffesional in your last post.
The only reason I accussed you of flaming is because the post before last had a snotty, I'm right you're wrong attitde to it. Your last post sounds to have much more logical thought to it and I respect logical thought. Based on this post if I knew you in person we would have one hell of a constructive debate.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 5:07 AM
in response to: autobon
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accidental post. my phone decided to push a button on its own.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 17, 2007 5:02 AM
in response to: autobon
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Hitler did have a religion, the nazi religion based
on the aryan race.
oh please, Hitler was not religious in any way shape
or form. He hated religion. His Aryan "ideas" were
not so much a religion as they were closer to
communism on steriods.
Not communism, Fascism. Hitler was a founder of his religion. anyone can make a religion so long as they are charismatic and believable.
I wasnt going after religion
Oh really? then how come you said
religious bigots will all start screaming bloody
murder if you can play the side that
messes with ''god's'' design
The bigots are the fanatics. A prime example of a fanatic is bin laden. Fanatics are in every religion but one bad seed does not damn the pod for eternity.
sure, you said you meant no offence to religious
people, but that means nothing when you say religious
people are bigots who scream bloody murder if we get
mad when people take stem cells from terminated
babies and such. Wow, such tolerance.
Hey, as I said don't let 1 bad seed damn the whole pod. I refuse to discuss some of the above mentioned stuf because I already know your response.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 16, 2007 9:50 PM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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Hitler did have a religion, the nazi religion based on the aryan race.
oh please, Hitler was not religious in any way shape or form. He hated religion. His Aryan "ideas" were not so much a religion as they were closer to communism on steriods. I mean for crying out loud, you could technically argue that athiesm is a religion of sorts.
I wasnt going after religion
Oh really? then how come you said
religious bigots will all start screaming bloody murder if you can play the side that
messes with ''god's'' design
sure, you said you meant no offence to religious people, but that means nothing when you say religious people are bigots who scream bloody murder if we get mad when people take stem cells from terminated babies and such. Wow, such tolerance.
Please dont say you mean no offense when you portray religious people as jerks who always get in others business because i dont ever see that happening as much as athiests pushing their evolutionist ideas in schools as well as their own version of "do whatever you want" morals, and you can never disagree with them or your labeled as a "hateful" and "intolerant" and "bigot"
You say you were just going after those who push there beliefs on others, but i didnt see any previous post that had anything to do with someone pushing there religion on someone, so i dont know why you even felt the need to bring it up.
I could also go through page after page of my beleifs. Please dont say i flame when i say the same things as you do. I stopped calling you the names you were calling me since you were a lot more proffesional in your last post.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 16, 2007 9:13 PM
in response to: autobon
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Dont even get me started with murdering athiests, you
guys are the most hypocritical people on the face of
the earth. Major wars such as as WW2 were the result
of sick minded evolutionist ideas that Hitler
embraced.
Hitler was insane, a meth head (its true), and took medicine that had bulgarian peasant crap as a main ingerdient. Hitler did have a religion, the nazi religion based on the aryan race.
(shortened, u know what u said)
If anyoned ever killed a loved one of mine or stole from me and I found them I would march them out into the center of the street and execute them with a shotgun blast to the head after painfully torturing them.
What kind of hypocrites are you athiests?!
Not following a certain beliefs doesn't make someone a hypocrite. It also doesn't mean you can't have a sense of morality.
If you want to screw morality, then
fine screw it! But dont get mad when i shoot you
because you wouldnt hand over the key's to your
house. After all since we forgot morality, stealing
and killing isnt wrong is it? Morality ruined our
society did it? Hah, what a laugh!
Morality is ok but to the degree it has been twisted in society it has ruined it. I would discuss it fully but it would take page after page after page to fully explain my view I instead plan to write a book about it. Morality has no place in games only the real world.
Why dont hypocritical bigots such as you stop going
on game forums and dissing on religion.
I wasnt going after religion, just those who seek to force their own beliefs upon others. Religion is just fine but forcing others to follow your ideals because your religion says this is what needs to stop.
(shortened, u know what u said)
See above. Do NOT flame me or anyone else again or I WILL REORT YOU. If you are going to defend something use LOGIC, KNOWLEDGE and FACT to do it not opinions.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 16, 2007 5:56 PM
in response to: autobon
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while that isnt the best arguement i have ever read, i applaude you for your defense, and stand with you
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 16, 2007 10:08 AM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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I just realized why they are making it so you have to
be cybernetics (AA) against genetic modification
(Pacifica). Morality. If they make it so you can be
the geneticly modified side then all the idiots
looking for something to protest (especcially when it
won't affect them at all) such as the anti cloning,
anti stem cell research, and religious bigots will
all start screaming bloody murder if you can play the
side that messes with ''god's'' design (genetics and
the like). I say screw morality, it's ruined society
enough already. p.s. No offence to anyone who follows
a religion is intented unless you play missionary
with people who don't follow your god.
Dont even get me started with murdering athiests, you guys are the most hypocritical people on the face of the earth. Major wars such as as WW2 were the result of sick minded evolutionist ideas that Hitler embraced. The Jews were inferior as were other races. Whats really hypocritical, is that you athiests believe in morality too. If i steal your car, or murder your loved one, you scream out and hate on me, telling me im so "bad". What kind of hypocrites are you athiests?! If you want to screw morality, then fine screw it! But dont get mad when i shoot you because you wouldnt hand over the key's to your house. After all since we forgot morality, stealing and killing isnt wrong is it? Morality ruined our society did it? Hah, what a laugh!
Why dont hypocritical bigots such as you stop going on game forums and dissing on religion.
I didnt want to have to bring up religion on a game forum or anything, but since people like you decided its ok to diss on religion, i just thought it would be ok to defend it.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 13, 2007 5:35 PM
in response to: jedikinght33
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gotta love your logic.
lets kick an entire state out of the union becuase of one man.
lets get back on topic here
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 13, 2007 6:03 AM
in response to: FR057Y
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wait... who are the good guys?
and which side is texas on? or is the flooding so bad
that texas is gone too? lol man im out of the loop
texas got wiped out in the flood in this game but in real life we should kick texas out of the union weather we give it back to the Mexicans or have it be its own country really doesn't matter to me so long as its not in the union.now i could go on a rant for about an hour at least to explain my reasoning but bush is from texas and if it was not part of the union he could not have become president
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 12, 2007 10:57 PM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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I just realized why they are making it so you have to be cybernetics (AA) against genetic modification (Pacifica). Morality. If they make it so you can be the geneticly modified side then all the idiots looking for something to protest (especcially when it won't affect them at all) such as the anti cloning, anti stem cell research, and religious bigots will all start screaming bloody murder if you can play the side that messes with ''god's'' design (genetics and the like). I say screw morality, it's ruined society enough already. p.s. No offence to anyone who follows a religion is intented unless you play missionary with people who don't follow your god.
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Re: Pacifica VS Atlantic Alliance
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Jul 12, 2007 6:36 PM
in response to: Mandalorian_jedi1
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the term "good guys" is a point of view. usually the citizen, soldiers, leaders, etc. of one side would see themselves as the "good guys", whereas the other side would see them as the "bad guys"
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